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Thank you for you communication about the VC-7 Squadron. I would like to make the case that the VC-7 squadron is worthy of an article separate from RVAH-7. I have read the RVAH article and the first thing I realized was that unlike VC-7, the mission of RVAH-7 was photo reconnaissance. I think that suggests a strong distinction between the squadrons. VC-7 and the other VC squadrons were created to keep the Navy relevant in the atomic age by proving that planes carrying nuclear weapons could be launched from and returned to carriers. This mission is very different from the stated role of RVAH-7. Though in Navy records the squadrons share a lineage, I believe the distinct missions of the squadrons suggest they should be distinguished from each other. Would a cross reference be appropriate? Schbrown (talk) 19:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240629193600","author":"Schbrown","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Schbrown-20240629193600-VC-7_Squadron","replies":[]}}-->

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The following editors all scored more than 400 points in Round 3:

• Generalissima (submissions) with 1,059 points, mostly from 1 featured article on DeLancey W. Gill, 11 good articles, 18 did you know nominations, and dozens of reviews;
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• AryKun (submissions) with 415 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Great cuckoo-dove, with a high number of bonus points from that article.

The full scores for round 3 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 28 featured articles, 38 featured lists, 240 good articles, 92 in the news credits, and at least 285 did you know credits. They have conducted 279 featured article reviews, as well as 492 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 22 articles to featured topics and good topics.

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I have been working on an article for months. When I first published, you looked it over and offered advice. I worked hard on the suggestions, publishing changes the next day. A different editor looked at it, stated reasons for unacceptance so I went back to work. I resubmitted a few days later and a third, new reviewer looked at it with more suggestions. I complied with all the suggestions and submitted a much corrected article. I have heard nothing since! Why would three different people look something over and then when it's all corrected, no one looks at it? I am just curious about that timing. I appreciate all you do to help new people like me. Beingherenow2 (talk) 23:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240719233900","author":"Beingherenow2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Beingherenow2-20240719233900-Review_timings","replies":[]}}-->

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• RayNoor (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Simplicissimus (YouTube Channel) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I received feedback that the article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Simplicissimus_(YouTube_Channel) is not notable and cites Youtube as a source, however:

the article itself already exists on Wikipedia in German, meaning it has a precedent for being notable: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplicissimus_(YouTube-Kanal)

and the YouTube citation is not of any facts but rather to quote that channel's own biography. Note;

Wikipedia draft: "Simplicissimus was created on 12 April 2015 under the name Simplicissimus 2.0, after the German satirical magazine Simplicissimus which ran from 1896 to 1967"

Citation: https://www.youtube.com/@Simplicissimus

Content: "Wir machen Essays zu Fragen, die du dir noch nie, oder viel zu oft gestellt hast. Simplicissimus = Anlehnung an die Satirezeitschrift" (we make essays on questions that you've never asked yourself or have asked yourself too often. Simplicissimus = Reference to the satire magazine)

There is a precedent for this on the original German wikipedia article: citations 3, 4, 5, 6 and 9 are all of Youtube links for similar reasons; to provide proof of existence, etc.

Do you mind explaining what I can do to show evidence of notability, and how the citation of Youtube in this case differs with the original article?

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Hey @Utopes, thanks a lot for your feedback on this draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Belarusian_Sport_Solidarity_Foundation

You asked to "please remove external links from the body of the article". I checked all the ref links and they seem to be formatted correctly and in line with Wiki's policy, and work exactly the same as on other pages. Can you please provide more detail. Much appreciated.

Artrage (talk) 09:42, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827094200","author":"Artrage","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Artrage-20240827094200-Instruction_to_remove_links_not_clear","replies":["c-Artrage-20240831105000-Artrage-20240827094200"]}}-->

@Utopes, having read your feedback again (and again, and again), I realized you meant the actual section entitled External Links. I removed it. Please, let me know if anything else needs editing. Otherwise, I would be most grateful for approval. Thank you. Artrage (talk) 10:50, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831105000","author":"Artrage","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Artrage-20240831105000-Artrage-20240827094200","replies":["c-Utopes-20240831114700-Artrage-20240831105000"]}}-->

Hi Artrage. Thank you for the question, and apologies for the delay. I'll provide clarification here; hopefully it is sufficient.

When reading the contents of Wikipedia articles, we try to keep the encyclopedia integrated by including wikilinks to other articles within the article's body. Furthermore, any links that aren't wikilinks tend to get removed when spotted, as Wikipedia is not a primary-source portal. This discludes some extraordinary circumstances, like a "website" parameter in an infobox or etc. All articles have (or should have) references, which is the "main" location that external links will exist. An "External links" section also serves this purpose.

I didn't have any qualms with the External Links section. But Draft:Belarusian Sport Solidarity Foundation#Activities and Achievements still has three external links present. During my initial assessment I thought I saw more than just the three, but it turns out the external linkage was less egregious than I remembered. If the Masovian Football Association is notable for instance, it should be included as a red link to encourage article creation about the subject, rather than sending people to their website.

The main reason I declined the article was for reading like an advertisement. Also present in the draft, are phrases such as: "As a matter of regular practice, the BSSF actively engages in official dialogues", "The BSSF plays an integral role in global discourses and strategic consultations", "the BSSF has done everything possible to defend the athlete's rights", and many more examples. While some have citations, it's still quite peacock phrasing, and some promotional phrasings don't have citations. See: "The BSSF is involved in fundraising activities for charitable purposes." While it may indeed be true that BSSF does fundraising activities, a lot of organizations do. It should only be included in the article if the fundraising activities have been significantly and independently reported on by reliable sources, which typically might be rare, but perhaps it's true in this case.

Hopefully this sheds a bit more light on the declination at this time. The external linkage should still be removed, but it was one actionable aspect of the WP:ADV / WP:NPOV decline. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 11:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831114700","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Utopes-20240831114700-Artrage-20240831105000","replies":["c-Utopes-20240831115300-Utopes-20240831114700","c-Artrage-20240902131800-Utopes-20240831114700"]}}-->

Ps: Oh wait, I just realized I DIDN'T actually decline it, and only left a comment. Was reading the last declination and thought that was mine. I probably would have though, had I completed a full review of the draft (and still would at this time for WP:NPOV purposes), but only left a passerby comment in order to fix it for the next person to see it. Hopefully this helps regardless. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 11:53, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831115300","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Utopes-20240831115300-Utopes-20240831114700","replies":["c-Utopes-20240831123600-Utopes-20240831115300"]}}-->

(Also, I've gone ahead and removed the external links from the body of the article, and replaced them with redlinks.) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 12:36, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831123600","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Utopes-20240831123600-Utopes-20240831115300","replies":[]}}-->

Hi @Utopes!

A massive thank you for the thorough and detailed feedback, as well as all the advice and external links removal. You have been truly helpful, and I really appreciate it.

I have carried out all the edits you suggested and then some.

Stylistically, the article has become neutral, and the missing links were added where necessary.

Some parts of the article have been removed as I couldn't find the links.

Hopefully, it is good to go now.

Once again, I am really grateful to you for all the answers and advice. Artrage (talk) 13:18, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902131800","author":"Artrage","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Artrage-20240902131800-Utopes-20240831114700","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. You recently rejected a draft of "reanimal" for objective reasons, since I referred to YouTube and did not leave sources in some places , which you wrote in the comments. I fixed these problems and sent a request, another person rejected the application without comments referring to the topic is not suitable for a Wikipedia article although I have referred to many sources listed as reliable. Can you please look at the draft again and comment and tell me what to improve. I am writing to you because your comment really helped me understand my mistakes. I just don’t understand what else I need to improve and whether I should create another request for an article review. Redstone catman (talk) 10:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240828104500","author":"Redstone catman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Redstone_catman-20240828104500-draft_of_Reanimal.","replies":[]}}-->

i don't know what is wrong with you sir? in the topic (battle of balkh) that i have written it, has a historical aspect in other hand you said your topic doesn't have Reliable sources may i ask you (https://books.google.com/books?id=wOzeDwAAQBAJ&dq=qara%20khitai%20ghurid%20balkh&pg=PT3) so what is this source? if you don't know history so let others review or check my toipc you just wasted my effort, i had been writing this topic for almost 4 hours. طاها صایم (talk) 15:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240828154900","author":"\u0637\u0627\u0647\u0627 \u0635\u0627\u06cc\u0645","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u0637\u0627\u0647\u0627_\u0635\u0627\u06cc\u0645-20240828154900-Battle_of_balkh_1198","replies":[]}}-->

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	I genuinely appreciate you pointing out flaws in my draft! That is the only way to learn and grow. You are among the highest class of wiki users. RadicalUranium (talk) 12:48, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240829124800","author":"RadicalUranium","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RadicalUranium-20240829124800-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

The fourth round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 29 August. Each of the 8 contestants who advanced to Round 4 scored at least 472 points, and the following contestants scored more than 700 points:

• Generalissima (submissions) with 1,150 points, mostly from 3 featured articles, 2 featured lists, 7 good articles, and 13 did you know nominations;
• Arconning (submissions) with 791 points, mostly from 2 featured lists, 8 good articles, 4 did you know nominations, and plenty of reviews;
• AirshipJungleman29 (submissions) with 718 points, mostly from a high-multiplier featured article on Genghis Khan and 2 good articles; and
• BennyOnTheLoose (submissions) with 714 points, mostly from 1 featured article on Susanna Hoffs, 2 featured lists, and 3 good articles.

Congratulations to our eight finalists and all who participated. Contestants put in extraordinary amounts of effort during this round, and their scores can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 36 featured articles, 55 featured lists, 15 good articles, 93 in the news credits, and at least 333 did you know credits. They have conducted 357 featured content reviews, as well as 553 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 30 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Any content promoted after 29 August but before the start of Round 5 can be claimed during Round 5, which starts on 1 September at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. If two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether for a good article, featured content, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Remember to claim your points within 14 days of earning them, and importantly, before the deadline on 31 October.

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• Potassium borohydride, 13762-51-1,currently a redirect to borohydride, 8290 citations in ChemAbs (notable!)
• Tetrabutylammonium Borohydride, 33725-74-5, leading ref: doi: 10.1002/047084289X.rt010 (a review), you need to know some organic
• potassium bromate, 7758-01-2, >5200 refs (notable!) doi: 10.1002/047084289X.rp197.pub2 (a review), current article does not discuss application in organic chemistry

current article does not discuss Xray structure

Those are some gaps in chemistry articles if you are looking for projects.--Smokefoot (talk) 15:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240904153600","author":"Smokefoot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Smokefoot-20240904153600-KBH4","replies":[]}}-->

Greetings, Today I de-orphaned this article by adding a link at List of biologists.

Help to de-orphan articles. 1. WikiProject Orphanage - working to reduce the article backlog. 2. Wikipedia:Orphan - the complete How-to Guide for Orphaned articles. » De-orphaning articles is an important aspect of building the web.

Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 19:37, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905193700","author":"JoeNMLC","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JoeNMLC-20240905193700-Orphan_article_Chase_Beisel","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! I just wanted to talk to you about my recent AfC submission, Draft:The Essential Donovan. If possible? Newtatoryd222 (talk) 19:40, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905194000","author":"Newtatoryd222","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Newtatoryd222-20240905194000-About_you_declining_my_recent_AfC_submission,_Draft:The_Essential_Donovan","replies":["c-Utopes-20240905203400-Newtatoryd222-20240905194000"]}}-->

Sure. While AllMusic reviews per WP:ALLMUSIC are seen as reliable, they are not an end-all-be-all for album notability. The reviews are certainly nice to have in an article for an album, and they are correctly attributed to AllMusic in-text, but this information plus its track listing would still be insufficient for a standalone article. Per WP:NALBUM, this information could probably be talked about in a general location for the singer Donovan. "Album articles with little more than a track listing may be more appropriately merged into the artist's main article or discography article". I'd consider the reviews of two AllMusic users, (+1 extra review), to be a "little more than a track listing" that can be discussed elsewhere, as the sourcing does not demonstrate standalone notability for the album by itself. Feel free to resubmit for a second opinion though; I see you've done so now. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 20:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240905203400","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Utopes-20240905203400-Newtatoryd222-20240905194000","replies":[]}}-->

Greetings Utopes,

thank you again for reviewing my Draft:Logic_7,

I have made changes according to the things you have pointed out, and was wondering if you could have a peek at it once again. I am in no rush, but recently I find myself extremely busy to the point I won't be able to update the article often, if at all.

I thank you in advance, and hope to hear from you. Andreas Jordanidis (talk) 17:17, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240907171700","author":"Andreas Jordanidis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andreas_Jordanidis-20240907171700-Request_of_re-review","replies":[]}}-->

Article Draft:Thierry Rayer

Dear Moderators,

I am writing to seek your assistance regarding the feedback you provided on the article in question. First, I would like to thank you for your comments and for the work you do to maintain the platform’s quality standards.

However, I am somewhat surprised by some of your remarks, particularly those indicating that certain phrases appear too promotional. Our intention is simply to faithfully transcribe information from media outlets and official sources, such as ministries or museums. I would therefore like to raise a few points to clarify the situation.

Firstly, could you please identify the specific phrases or information that you find promotional? This would help us make the necessary adjustments while remaining faithful to the sources we have carefully selected. It is crucial not to alter the content of information from official or journalistic sources, as this might compromise its accuracy.

Secondly, I would like to emphasize that all references cited in the article come from reliable, recognized, and verifiable sources. The excerpts written are directly based on these sources to ensure accuracy and compliance. It would be helpful if you could review these references in detail, as they form the foundation of the article and ensure the reliability of the presented information.

I therefore wonder how these sources are being taken into account during the evaluation process. Have you had the opportunity to review them thoroughly? By doing so, you will see that the article is solely based on factual and verified information, drawn from credible and objective publications.

Our goal is to contribute in a neutral, objective, and well-documented manner. We would be very grateful if you could guide us on the necessary adjustments to meet your expectations while maintaining the integrity of the sources.

Thank you for your attention, and I remain at your disposal for any further clarification.

Sincerely, Inspiringflow (talk) 12:13, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240908121300","author":"Inspiringflow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Inspiringflow-20240908121300-Clarifications_and_Request_for_Further_Information_Regarding_Feedback_on_the_Art","replies":[]}}-->

Hi @Utopes Can you review my page please. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Massacre_of_Tlemcen_(1145) Diego.julius (talk) 17:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240908173300","author":"Diego.julius","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Diego.julius-20240908173300-review","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Utopes, I hope you're doing well. I've made updates to the draft for the article **Yucheng (Eric) Hu** based on the feedback you provided in your review. The draft now includes additional independent, reliable sources, as well as improvements to the notability section. There is now more published articles on multiple national news media as well as interview by Harvard College Summit for Young Leaders in Chinadedicated to the individual. You can find the updated draft here: [1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Yucheng_(Eric)_Hu). I would appreciate it if you could take another look when you have time. Please let me know if there are any further issues that need addressing. Thank you for your time and consideration! Best regards, Wikieduuser Wikieduuser (talk) 06:18, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910061800","author":"Wikieduuser","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wikieduuser-20240910061800-Update_on_Draft:_Yucheng_(Eric)_Hu","replies":[]}}-->

Dear Utopes, thank you for your time reviewing my entry on Ana Mesquita digital artist. I might need some help, if you have the patience, in knowing a bit more about what you'd consider necessary for an approval, namely in terms of reliable sources (the sources I've encountered and used seemed reliable and independent, albeit written in Portuguese).

The re-writing of the article into a more formal "voice" is easy enough, but I'd love to address the issues together and then resubmit.

Thank you for your kindness and time - it is duly appreciated.

All the best

Port norw (talk) 15:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910154700","author":"Port norw","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Port_norw-20240910154700-Ana_Mesquita_wikipedia_article","replies":[]}}-->

• Jkurzner (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Grant Kurzner (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thanks for your input. I am not sure why the actual websites from the schools where Grant Kurzner worked are not considered reliable? Is there a specific source that you have an issue with? I apologize but this is the first time I have created an entry and I was under the impression that the sources cited are reliable.

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1. The posting at the top of my article Kevin Trudeau's Global Information Network (GIN) keeps changing. First the link to the Teahouse was removed, then the link to tags were removed. If I'm not supposed to remove it, then please stop removing useful links. I have no idea how to add tags. When I Google how to add tags it takes me to tagging pages for problems, which is not what I'm trying to do. Am I supposed to add them to the talk page? What are the markings? Help. 2. Also, it was incorrectly marked as a promotion. No one in their right mind would promote a dangerous cult. Please explain to me how a cult would be marked as a promotion. It makes no logical sense. 3. One more thing, it has been marked as a potential copyright violation. I need to know what part is being flagged as such so that I can fix it. The lack of communication makes it difficult to address. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grad0507 (talk • contribs) 13:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913135800","author":"Grad0507","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grad0507-20240913135800-Links_Disappear","replies":[]}}-->

Please take some more time over your RfD nominations. You've nominated over 50 redirects just on the 19th, that's too many to have done a reasonable before (or apparently any at all in some cases) and far too many for other editors to reasonable review all of them. There is no deadline, it's much better to take your time and make more detailed, fully researched nominations over a longer period of time. Note also that even before your flooding there were WP:PEIS problems on the main RfD page due to the number of transclusions of the RfD templates. Thryduulf (talk) 01:10, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920011000","author":"Thryduulf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thryduulf-20240920011000-Please_slow_down_and_stop_flooding_RfD","replies":["c-Utopes-20240920011800-Thryduulf-20240920011000","c-Utopes-20240920012400-Thryduulf-20240920011000","c-Utopes-20240920013700-Thryduulf-20240920011000"]}}-->

• I've ceased noms well over an hour ago. There was a hefty ~125 redirect bundle included among these, but it's been many months since I've been able to investigate these, and this certainly isn't a daily occurrence this year. Steel and I have been relisting and closing as appropriate to keep things as under control, but plenty more can still be closed at this time. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920011800","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Utopes-20240920011800-Thryduulf-20240920011000","replies":[]}}-->
• @Thryduulf: in fact the only reason why Box-Office Entertainment Awards ended up there was because I was inquirying offwiki about the G5 potential of redirects created by suspected sockpuppets, doing so in an effort to not have to send a title to RfD that didn't need to be there. And I closed the discussion immediately upon discovering it didn't need to be there. But everything else to my understanding I stand by my decision to nominate. There's 84 nominations on the page (not just mine), but at times it's been well over the 100s (usually not even by me, I try and make sure the count never goes above 100 on a page). The main issue I feel is possibly due to a lack of participants and pages getting relisted multiple times with minimal participation to the point that they never get closed. But I'll certainly keep in mind the WP:PEIS point. Steel and I were just talking about it in their relist here: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 17#Well, excuse me!. This one could probably get closed immediately by an uninvolved editor. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:24, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920012400","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Utopes-20240920012400-Thryduulf-20240920011000","replies":[]}}-->
• I also find that quite disappointing because I spend quite a lot of time in my RfD pre-noms. It took me 7 hours of editing to put all of those together, 8 to 9 minutes on average, where each nomination had an individually applicable statement, although similar were in similar circumstances. I have no interest in adding a section of content to Meat chop to reference Barnsley, which is the only option without having to start an RfD to retarget it somewhere else. In the status quo, it's sat in a maintenance category for nearly a decade since 2014 where nobody's added content before I nommed it at RfD with other "B"-titles. It's otherwise been a visible and always-open task, if anyone was interested in adding mentions for unmentioned redirects, and even then I was quite selective with the ones I chose, often being unmentioned variants of the items they target. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920013700","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Utopes-20240920013700-Thryduulf-20240920011000","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! @Utopes, you reviewed the page Draft: Domestic & General last year and I believe your comments have been actioned- please could you take another look when you get a chance :) Ecwdgbt (talk) 16:02, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240923160200","author":"Ecwdgbt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ecwdgbt-20240923160200-Review_2","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! @Utopes, after your review of Draft:Neshe I slightly changed the tone of the article in order to make it more neutral as requested. If you see any other word that should be changed, please let me know, as to me everything all looks pretty neutral today. --GlobalMusicFan (talk) 15:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924152500","author":"GlobalMusicFan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GlobalMusicFan-20240924152500-Review_2_2","replies":[]}}-->

Happy First Edit Day! Hi Utopes! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924041300","author":"The Herald","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Herald-20240924041300-Happy_First_Edit_Day!","replies":[],"displayName":"The Herald (Benison)"}}-->

Thank you :D Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 15:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924155900","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Utopes-20240924155900-Happy_First_Edit_Day!","replies":[]}}-->

I reverted your move as this work has no official or common English title. We should not invent them (that's WP:OR). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924153500","author":"Piotrus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Piotrus-20240924153500-Szewc_z_Lichtenrade","replies":["c-Utopes-20240924154100-Piotrus-20240924153500"],"displayName":"Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus"}}-->

Piotrus I clearly did not "invent" the titles, as they were listed immediately in the lead as the translation of the title. The moves are fine. Thanks for the adjustment. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 15:41, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924154100","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Utopes-20240924154100-Piotrus-20240924153500","replies":["c-Piotrus-20240924154400-Utopes-20240924154100"]}}-->

Right, I did not mean you invented them, I meant we as Wikipedians. It is fine to list them in the titles as a literal translation, but we should not use them as titles unless they became WP:COMMONNAME which can happen sometimes, but not in those cases, I think (those works are next to unknown in English, referred to maybe only by few sources in passing at best). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924154400","author":"Piotrus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Piotrus-20240924154400-Utopes-20240924154100","replies":["c-Utopes-20240924155800-Piotrus-20240924154400"],"displayName":"Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus"}}-->

@Piotrus:. Yes, lesson learned. Thanks for the adjustment. Apologies for sounding defensive, it's a good change. Was initially trying to adhere to WP:ENGLISHTITLE but I now see the listed translations are supposedly unofficial and not the common name. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 15:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924155800","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Utopes-20240924155800-Piotrus-20240924154400","replies":[]}}-->

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

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Thank you <3 Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 15:58, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924155800","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Utopes-20240924155800-70.163.95.26-20240924154600","replies":[]}}-->

i got trouted back 70.163.95.26 (talk) 16:07, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924160700","author":"70.163.95.26","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-70.163.95.26-20240924160700-LOL","replies":["c-Utopes-20240924161000-70.163.95.26-20240924160700"]}}-->

Trout swim upstream :) Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 16:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924161000","author":"Utopes","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Utopes-20240924161000-70.163.95.26-20240924160700","replies":[]}}-->