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Different artworks? Different pages?..

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Hello editors,

I have a question about Follow my dreams page. It is about a hand-painted mural by the italian artist TVBoy in 2022 in the city of Barcelona. This mural was originally called "Super Alexia" where you could read in the background the phrase: "Follow your dreams" with the footballer Alexia Putellas stepped out painted in a Superwoman outfit with a cape clearly visible on her back. In 2023, due to the multitude of vandalism acts, the artist decided to redo the mural, but neither the phrase nor the drawing of the player were the same. You can see the clear differences with the 2022 painting: [1] and the 2023 updated painting: [2]

In the Talk:Follow my dreams I proposed to make different articles because the new painting of 2023 should be treated as a completely different one even if it is located in the same place and on top of the old painting. The painting and the message in the background is totally different as you can read in the article: [3]

Throughout history, many painters have painted over other paintings and they have never been treated as updates of these but yes as a different works. It is currently an active dispute with user Kingsif that recently moved the page (Super Alexia to Follow my dreams) and reverses the edits I made because he wants to fix the date of the old 2022 painting but the name "Follow my dreams" was created in the year 2023 not in 2022.

What do you think?

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January 15th birthdate vandal

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I think there is somone going round putting in "15 January" in artist birthdates where even the year is uncertain, never mind the day. Here he is at Donatello. Unfortunately it is one of those ips where the address changes with each edit. I don't know if it is just artists he does. Is there a way of getting a list of WP 15 Jan birthdays (I don't know if he touches Wikidata)? For dates before say 1800, as I haven't seen him changing a date that's there, just adding 15 Jan when there is no date. Johnbod (talk) 15:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240524155700","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnbod-20240524155700-January_15th_birthdate_vandal","replies":[]}}-->

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Cleaning up article for an artist who added information to an article about himself

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Hello! I recently stumbled upon an article about a Greek artist named Vassilis Vassili. Although the subject of the article did not seem to originally create the article, he did recently start editing it substantially (and based on the page's edit history, may have edited substantially in the past using IPs or another similarly-named account). I have been educating him about the conflicts of interest policy on his Talk page. I am coming to this WikiProject page to request help with cleaning up the article in accordance with the standards for visual artists' articles on Wikipedia. I am assuming y'all are familiar with what these standards are. I, in contrast, am not familiar with these standards, and know very little about art overall. I assume that a lot of the information needs to be removed. I can help with grammar cleanup, matching info to sources, and stuff like that, but I don't know how much info should be retained on the page in the first place, and I was hoping y'all could help with that. Thank you! Gottagotospace (talk) 16:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240528165100","author":"Gottagotospace","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gottagotospace-20240528165100-Cleaning_up_article_for_an_artist_who_added_information_to_an_article_about_hims","replies":[]}}-->

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Straightening out metadata

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Hello there. I've a question about the attribution of a painting and don't really possess the background necessary to evaluate the matter authoritatively. I've been working on a rewrite of the Spartan lawgiver Lycurgus. There seem to be two paintings from the late 18th century of him:

They have similar poses etc. The first is attributed to Jean-Jacques-François Le Barbier. The second is attributed in the metadata to Jacques-Louis David with a source. But an image of the second is included in one of the references supporting the attribution of the first: https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-6338034. The former's attribution seem rather convincing. Is the second wrongfully attributed? Ifly6 (talk) 21:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603214500","author":"Ifly6","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ifly6-20240603214500-Straightening_out_metadata","replies":["c-Johnbod-20240603221000-Ifly6-20240603214500"]}}-->

Yes, according to Christie's "Le Barbier worked out his composition in a handsome oil sketch (37 x 45 cm.) that was purchased by the Musée de Blois in 1936 as a work by David (fig.1). The sketch, which bears a false monogram, was first identified as Le Barbier’s study for the present painting in 1990 by David A. Wisner." Blois/Commons seem reluctant to let go of the more prestigous name. Their's is clearly a sketch & far smaller. Johnbod (talk) 22:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603221000","author":"Johnbod","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Johnbod-20240603221000-Ifly6-20240603214500","replies":[]}}-->

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Notice of reliable sources noticeboard discussion

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There is currently a discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard about the reliability of Dani Cavallaro's work. Members of this WikiProject may be interested in joining as her publications are cited in multiple articles related to Gustav Klimt. The relevant thread is at § Dani Cavallaro. Thanks! Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:24, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240608212400","author":"Harizotoh9","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Harizotoh9-20240608212400-Notice_of_reliable_sources_noticeboard_discussion","replies":[]}}-->

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Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)#An idea that might work: A Wikipedia statue

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Self-explanatory (not about the Wikipedia Monument). Randy Kryn (talk) 00:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240610003700","author":"Randy Kryn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Randy_Kryn-20240610003700-Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#An_idea_that_might_work:_A_Wikipedia_statue","replies":[]}}-->

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Requested move at Talk:Madonna#Requested move 1 June 2024

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Madonna#Requested move 1 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Dawid2009 (talk) 15:00, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240610150000","author":"Dawid2009","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dawid2009-20240610150000-Requested_move_at_Talk:Madonna#Requested_move_1_June_2024","replies":[]}}-->

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Requested move at Talk:The Three Ages of Man and Death#Requested move 28 May 2024

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Three Ages of Man and Death#Requested move 28 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Polyamorph (talk) 14:27, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240611142700","author":"Polyamorph","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Polyamorph-20240611142700-Requested_move_at_Talk:The_Three_Ages_of_Man_and_Death#Requested_move_28_May_202","replies":[]}}-->

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FAR notice: Middle Ages

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I have nominated Middle Ages for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Borsoka (talk) 03:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240624034000","author":"Borsoka","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Borsoka-20240624034000-FAR_notice:_Middle_Ages","replies":[]}}-->